Wine Down Wednesday: Nicole Kearney

Wine Down Wednesday: Nicole Kearney

Aired: July 14th, 2021

Audio and Photo Source: Nicole Kearney and Instagram

Episode Summary

This pairing couldn't be more fitting! What's better than having a wine aficionado as our special guest on Wine Down Wednesday? This week our Founder and CEO, Orion Brown wine-ed down with Sip And Share Wine's Vintner and Founder, Nicole Kearney.

Nicole let us in on everything wine, from travel hacks to what should be on the labels of wine... Yes, if you thought wine was just grapes you thought wrong.You are in for a wine filled discussion, so you'd better crack open your wine of choice and join in on the fun!

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Episode Transcript

Wine Down Wednesday: Nicole Kearney

Orion Brown (00:03):

Hey guys. It's Wednesday. It's a really good Wednesday to say too. I can't wait to share with you all. Oh, I'm so warm. I should've turned on my AC. Should I turn it up? Hey. Hello. Hello. Hello. How is everyone? Y'all it's Wine Down Wednesday. Hold up, hold up, rosé. I hope you have your rosé. You can have your Kool-Aid, you can have your Pepsi, whatever you want, but I have a rosé and I'm so excited to kick it with you guys. So it is Wine Down Wednesday. It is that time of the week where we take a moment to luxuriate in all things travel. For those of you don't know me. My name is Orion brown. I am the founder and CEO. Hey, is Jasmine. I'm a founder and CEO of BlackTravelBox. We're personal care products company for travelers of color. And so we do Wine Down Wednesday, each week too. And I'm trying to just pull something up really quick. Um, we do Wine Down Wednesday each week so we can just kick it. Oh, and great. Our guest is here. Sip and Share Wines.

Orion Brown (01:30):

Thank you! oh yeah. Did y'all see what weave it's not even a weave. This is crochet and this sucker is full Rapunzel. Full Rapunzel. Hello!

Nicole Kearney (01:42):

Hello! I don't know if I'm supposed to jump in right now.

Orion Brown (01:44):

Totally jump in. How are you?

Nicole Kearney (01:47):

I am well, I am well!

Orion Brown (01:48):

I am so glad you're able to join us. So I'm just doing a quick intro. I have. So for those of you who are wondering what I'm looking at, I'm actually, I rarely have my computer open for this, but this is a very interesting day. And it's going to be interesting for Wine Downs going forward for at least the next few weeks, because, I am in, Target's accelerated their Ford pounders program. And so they decided every Tuesday night and every Wednesday night, this is what, what I'm doing. And I'm like, alright, cool. But time out, Imma bust out for like 45 minutes. Do what I do. And then I'll be back. So a and I see that glass of wine. Love it. Cheers. Cheers.

Nicole Kearney (02:32):

Yes Cheers.

Orion Brown (02:33):

And I'm so excited. You're here with us, Nicole. I'm super, super excited. I am. Um, so our, our format, our format is normally we will start out and y'all, I'm like, sweating over here, I'm like, it's been such a crazy day, but I'm in such a great mood and I'm just, I'm really happy. So, um, we, and for those of you who were asking about our campaign last week, campaign has extended. Um, we're going for 60 K on, IFund Women and we're about 60% of the way there. So keep telling your friends about it. I'm really, really excited. Lots of great stuff going there. And IFund women just gave us money today, which is crazy. They were like, come on our live, we do this live every week. You should come on, hang out on our live. And then I get on there and they're like, we're going to give a grant to BlackTravelBox. So, boom, boom. Look at that. Look at God. Look at God. So format, we normally do a quick intro so everybody can get to know our guests and tilt your camera just a little bit so we can see better. We lost your chin there. There we go. Yes. So tell everybody where you are, where you're from. Um, give us a little bit on the nine to five and then we'd love to hear how many stamps do you have on your passport? It doesn't have to be exact because people get real stressed and they're like, I tried to count them, but then I couldn't find the other book. I'm like, no, no, no, no. Just roughly. How many places would you been?

Nicole Kearney (04:06):

So, okay, so I'm Nicole Kearney. Um, and I'm the vintner and founder of Sipand Share Wines. Um, I live in Indianapolis, Indiana. I'm from South Jersey, the only part of Jersey that count y'all, but no, I'm from south Jersey. I know from the shore. And that's so south Jersey of me to say that, but I'm born and raised by the shore little small place outside of Fort Dix . Nobody knows where that is. Um, and, um, let me see, I think, oh my 9 to 5, this is my nine to five, nine to five. I make wine, I'm a wine maker and a founder. So that is what I do. Um, nine to five and Ooh, I have a lot of stamps on my passport over 20. Um, my dad did three tours of Europe, so I'm an army brat. So I lived in Europe a lot and I've traveled a lot of different countries and then I've done a lot of, um, a lot of the islands and, and I just love to travel. So pre COVID, that was yeah, like part of my life. So I would probably say over 20 stamps, I've got like South Africa yet to go and, um, uh, like the grand Cayman island. So just a couple places left. I still want to go.

Orion Brown (05:23):

So you you've been a good number of places, but you still have a bucket list? I do. Oh, that's amazing. And you were an army brat, so like tell us, like, does anything surprise you anymore?

Nicole Kearney (05:39):

I know I fell. Okay. I'm back. Okay. There we go. I was like, okay, technical difficulties, now you can really see me. Okay, go ahead.

Orion Brown (05:47):

Totally can see you. So, I mean, I would imagine moving around that much, that not that much really surprises you when you get to, like, are there places that you've been to that you've been like, oh, that's different? Or are you just sort of like, yeah. It's par for the course, everything is everything.

Nicole Kearney (06:03):

Um, when I go to the islands, I'm always, I guess my first trip to the islands, I was really, um, shocked by the level of, um, poverty, um, that was there. And so I think my first trip to an island was I went to Puerto Rico. I love Puerto Rico. I go there a lot. Um, yeah. And I was just really, really surprised, but, um, you know, and then we were able to kind of like go out of the resort area. And so unfortunately, a lot of, um, Caribbean, um, culturally, I won't say cultures, but Caribbean economies are really set up on tourism. So I mean, it can make for an interesting experience, but once you kind of kind of manage through it, it's, it's cool. It's cool. But that was probably my biggest shock now. I mean, I know, so I know that when I'm going to place, I want to go like off the, the, you know, off the reservation.

Orion Brown (06:59):

Yeah. And you know what, you, you make a really good point because my first time in the Caribbean, yeah. I had no clue. I had only seen honestly commercials. Right. So it was sort of like there are resorts and then like the rest of it's like suburbia, right. Or like a city, and then you get there and you're like, okay, this is way more rural than I expected. This is way more poverty than I expected. And we're not that far from the United States, which, uh, has #AmericanArrogance. Like, let's just be honest. That really is what that right. Cause we can kind of feel like, oh, well, you know, everything is like the major city that I live in. Um, although some of those types of situations exist very well within the country. Yeah. Yeah. But that's a really good point. And it's very interesting. I always encourage people like check out the socioeconomic history, talk to the people and their perspective of it. Cause it's very interesting when you see, uh, industries like sugar cane and banana that shifted the entire market economics. You look at countries like Haiti that had to pay reparations to France for not having slaves anymore. And you're like, wait, but that's not the way reparations go. That's how, and it put them in debt, depreciated their dollar.

Orion Brown (08:14):

And then you look at places like Puerto Rico, which is a territory of the United States. And it's a territory, it's a colonized nation, but let's be, um, and those are these, these are the kinds of things that we have to really take a look at and educate ourselves on. So we can look sideways at people properly.

Nicole Kearney (08:32):

Right. Because it's, it's, it's like, especially when you tell people you're going, you're like, you, you know, that's a US proper-. Oh, okay. Nevermind.

Orion Brown (08:42):

But they can fight for us in wars, but they can't vote. Same thing with Guam, right? Yeah. It's just, to me, I'm just like that whole island I'd be on, I'd be on strike, but I understand, you know, it's yeah. So it's very complex, but that's a really great point. It is a really, it's a really stark thing. And I also make a point to get away from the resorts.

Orion Brown (09:06):

Um, I do like going to the resorts and tipping, like I have no sense, like put cash in the person's hand, put that in your pocket, you got to Venmo, boo. I got you. Yeah. That's the fun part. Right. You can actually do a lot of that. And then you make some really good friends. Um, and if, if it's a place you'd go back to every couple years they remember you. So it just elevates the experience. Um, and you know, every time you go back, so yes, totally. And one thing I will say that this is, this is my, my knock on, uh, um, like sort of American culture and service culture. When you go to these islands and they remember you from a couple of years before they have seen thousands of people. Y'all, they've seen thousands of people, but they took tht time to look you in the eye.

Orion Brown (09:55):

They took the time to remember your name. They remember your kindness, if you were kind, and I don't know what it's going to look like if y'all, wouldn't ask them, do you suppose I don't, I don't know. It might sound, no, I don't know it's your business, but it's a very different thing. Whereas, you know, you can go to places in the states and, and have just, you know, the most uncomfortable experience as a customer. Um, and so there's something really interesting about the concept of tipping and what it's meant for. And so it rewards and y'all can y'all can and kick me if you want to. I don't just tip off cuff because you know, there's something to be said for appreciating and having gratitude for the role that you have, even if it's not the greatest and making the most out of it and being like, I'm going to be the best at this, the best.

Nicole Kearney (10:45):

And, and it's something you chose to do, you know, maybe not, that was the thing you want. Right. You know, in your life, but you chose that at that moment. So yeah, I agree with that. It's like, uh, we talk about that a lot and it's interesting something you said, like even, um, something I talked to my team about, like we, we don't use the word service, um, because we've found that, that word, the connotation of that word, especially for non melanated people, um, has created like this whole interesting debate over who was essential and who was not, but really over people who want to leave their homes to be served. I mean, that is what they want to do. They want to the country to be open the way they want it to be, because they want to be served rather than it's hospitality. And that goes two ways. So when we think about hospitality, I'm hospitable to you, you're hospitable to me.

Orion Brown (11:40):

You see a white carpet you take your shoes off.

Nicole Kearney (11:44):

Exactly. Or just when you go in someone's house, oh, do I take my shoes off? You know, are you, is this your, is this your kind of house? Or, you know, what is it I need to do? So that's, and then that's what we practice in our normal life. And I think that when we leave our homes, especially when we travel, everyone's supposed to serve us. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They're supposed to be hospitable. And so are we cause your mama taught y'all better than that. And some of y'all grandma's taught y'all better than that. So when you out here in this world, treat people accordingly and remember, you know, so I think that, so for us, we, we speak about the hospitality industry. Even for us, we tell, we pour for the people, people are like, oh, are you serving wine?

Nicole Kearney (12:25):

And we don't serve anything. No, we pour wine for the people, but we don't serve anything because just that. And we've had people come to this non melanated and I'm like, no, no, you too happy about that. That serve where you just made you feel some kind of way in your spirit. And I'm like, well, we don't serve people. We pour for the people, you know, we are out here, you know, in a hospitality industry. And so I think the shift of that, especially now as we're still, you know, in this quasi COVID, I think that shift and that conversation is really crucial because we want people, many people want people to come back and serve them. Oh, people don't want to come back to work. And because you want them to serve you versus, oh, if this hospitality industry was a lot better. So I encourage people like I'm a reader, um, I'm a writer by trade and I'm a reader.

Nicole Kearney (13:15):

And um, I believe it was Danny Meyer wrote a book. Um, yeah. So his book is about hospitality. I'm not gonna remember the title y'all but it's about hospitality. And I think that, um, everyone that's in the industry in any type of industry where you provide a service to people, um, you should read that book.

Orion Brown (13:37):

Um, it's called Setting the Table. I cheated because I have my laptop in front of me.

Nicole Kearney (13:44):

Yes. And it's, it's an amazing book or get an audio book. Um, but yeah, anyone, if you're doing, I don't care if you're doing wine food, I don't care what you're doing. If you're cleaning someone's carpets, um, you know, a daycare, I don't care what your thing is. Just read that book or listen to that book. Cause I'm just saying it'll change your perspective of, of treating people. And it's just a great read. It's a great read.

Nicole Kearney (14:09):

So it's one of my, my, my favorite books. I just tell people on my team, we're about to do a team read and read that and then like kinda bring it back and see what everybody gets out of it.

Orion Brown (14:19):

It's So good. It's so good. And it really is what hospitality used to be in, in concept. Um, yes. You know, when you go to someone's house and they're hospitable, you want to go back, right. But as you said, it's a two-way street. So you feel welcome in the place, but instantaneously a part of your brain goes to reverence for the space that you're in, you know? Um, and so it elevates the entire sort of transactional conversation.

Nicole Kearney (14:51):

Exactly. You might be like, the food was, eh, but man, when I tell you how they treated me, so cool. So I'm going to go back and I'm gonna try something else on the menu and you know, and then maybe it becomes just your drink spot. Cause we have places we go there. We're like the food is, but we love the people that work there. So my partner and I, we just go and we're like, he's like drinks there. Yeah. We're going to go get a drink there.

Orion Brown (15:16):

And, and that's, and, and there's nothing like, even if they don't remember you, right? Like I don't have the best memory for names. It's not anybody's fault. Other than my, the way my brain works, I'm going to post this. I'm just going to get a pin. The, uh, but like, you know, I've been in places where I can tell the person has forgotten, but they re recall me and even still just being like, Hey, how are you? It's been a while since I saw you can just, just those little things, because at the end of the day, and I've said this in other Wine Downs, every, we all just want to be seen.

Orion Brown (15:49):

We honestly just want to be seen. And it's not even a vanity metric. It's truly a thing that we are born with when we're babies we want to be seen. Peekaboo is not because I can see you, but because you can see me. Um, and, and being a, using hospitality as a means to see people as, and service not serve, but service is, is just a magical way to build a brand and to build. I just, I love that. So tell us more. Okay. So tell us more about your wines and then tell us a little bit about, um, some of your favorite places to go in the world for wine. And it can be local or whatever, but like, I would love to get, uh, I need to know where to get booze when I travel. That's really what I'm asking. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Nicole Kearney (16:35):

Well, let me first say, I've been following your story for a long time. So like, this is like, I'm, I'm, I'm into my own like fan moment here. Like, so I've followed your story. I've seen you pitch, um, you know, I've watched the videos, so I'm like, oh my gosh, it's, I'm like, this is not, oh, this is the same person. So yeah, I have to just get that out of the way, because I I'm a fan and I've watched you just grow and build. And I just want to tell you that your tenacity, your perseverance, your grit. And you're just like, I got this and I'm going to do this no matter what other people say, you inspire me. And, um, and I remember that what I want to keep going. So I just need to like give you that I give to you those flowers right now.

Orion Brown (17:20):

Ya'll my eyeballs are sweating, why my eyeballs sweating?

Nicole Kearney (17:27):

I know it's like, so we make vegan wine. So we make, um, seven wines a year round. So we have everything from Riesling to dry red blend. Um, so we just make this, I know she got, I know I'm the, I'm the girl fan club. I know. It seems like there's more, I love it. I love it. There's more of us, but yes, we, um, yeah, we make seven different wines year round. Um, we just introduced what I'm drinking tonight is our culture cans. So I'm drinking our royalty Rosé. So we just introduced canned wine and we did that on, um, Juneteenth. So we introduced that. It's been going really well. Um, we just started from like a real small, um, kind of, I want to make wine. I like to drink wine. Um, my children sent me to a wine class at that particular time. They were too young to even drink wine. Now they're college graduates and they can drink. And so we started making wine. We made our Sangria all the time. And thank you, Kim for the happy birthday wish.

Nicole Kearney (18:36):

We made sangria all the time. And then we've just expanded. So now we make four culture cans, seven wines year round. We've got a couple other fun things coming, you know, in our tool box, but I love wine. And so now when I travel, I always go to a good wine bar. So my favorite place to be well. So I'm from south Jersey, my mom's from Harlem. And, uh, so I love to go to Harlem. I always go, whenever I'm in the city, I always go to Harlem. I always take my mom, you know, her obligatory picture, you know, on Malcolm X Boulevard. And I sent it to her. Um, but I grew up going, yeah, I grew up going to Sylvia soul food, the original one. Y'all not the one in Atlanta, but the real one that's in Harlem. Y'all with the real Sylvia in the kitchen.

Nicole Kearney (19:22):

So I grew up, um, so I grew up, you know, um, in New York. So that is in south Bronx. So that's my favorite, probably my favorite place to visit. And so now, you know, with the advent of, you know, us, you know, coming into the wine space and beginning to take over, um, Happy Court, Brooklyn's gotta be like hands down the best Black wine shop. I would say probably in the world because they hold it down. They, I mean, they sell everything now, y'all they sell, you know, if you want some Heney, if you want, you know, your grey goose, they got all that, but they carry the most Black wine and spirits, um, in the country that I know of. So amazing place to go visit and, you know, you can kind of go in and you can hang out. So that's a good one.

Nicole Kearney (20:11):

Um, when I go out west on the west coast, um, I'm always going to go, I'm always gonna hang out with my friend, uh, queen Fern with Black Vines, we're going to kick it. Um, and we're just going to go everywhere. And my friend, Sherry and Marcy we're were just going to go kick it. Um, they took me, I can't remember the name of the place, but it's right on the bay in Oakland. And it had, you know, they said, bottom less mimosas. I was like lets go.

Orion Brown (20:35):

Oh, Jack London square.

Nicole Kearney (20:37):

Yes, Jack London sqaure. Yes. And so you already know, so that is like, that's my favorite place in the bay, um, to go my new favorite spot, you know, it's down the street from me, Cincinnati on nostalgia, wine and jazz lounge owned by a sister. It's amazing. It's like jazz, you know, they do, they have some DJs that come in and the DJ is phenomenal.

Nicole Kearney (21:01):

Um, and you want to talk about tipping that just makes you want to just throw all your coins to them. And then they have, but they have no food, but you can order from restaurants and they let you know which ones, um, you know, we'll come in and they have just a great, um, so they carry a lot of black owned spirits and wine too, but just a great, I mean the hospitality now, that's the hospitality and the music and the artists. Um, so we went, I took my family to brunch there. We had an amazing time. Um, we'll be back. So I'm trying to think. So that's probably my favorite place. Oh, I love, I went to graduate school in, um, Louisville. So fourth street live is always going to have a special affinity, um, in my heart. Cause I spent a lot of time, fourth street live, drink, and yeah, just that's what graduate schools for and undergrad too. So if your children are going to college in August, yo parents have a moment to remember when you were young, just keep hold that in your presence of spirit and just know that your children are going to do some things, you know, you want to send them to with the please don't go to jail and don't get pregnant or get somebody's daughter pregnant. Other than that, it's like, that's what college is for. It's the time to just do some really dumb stuff.

Nicole Kearney (22:17):

It just is. I know. Um, um, I'm that auntie y'all. I'm like, yo, this what we going to do, gone do it. Yes. So I, and I like, I like to travel, um, St Croix, my probably Saint quarry and, um, Puerto Rico, probably my tie for just really a good, easy, quick getaway. That's really inexpensive. You can spend less than a thousand dollars. You can get your flight, your hotel, um, your all inclusive. And for like a week you can just get away. So that's like my favorite, I would say domestic. I do not do Mexico. Yeah. Um, I just feel like they gonna steal me. You took him down there. They will snap. I'm too short. I'm too petite. I just feel they going to take me. So I just don't go. Um, I don't go to Mexico. All my friends are going to Mexico.

Nicole Kearney (23:07):

I'm not going to Mexico. Um, I just feel like, you know, it's just not my place. It looks pretty when y'all go. And I love a lot to see all my people's pictures, everybody's going to Cabo and stuff, but I'm like, Nope, my next overseas adventure, like I said is South Africa. That's where I want to go. That's my next wine country, Stellenbosch and wine country. I have a friend, um, over there, uh, queen says Tuani price. She'd spends half the time in LA, half the time in South Africa, but now she's been over there. And since COVID, she went pre COVID and then she hadn't been able to come back. But, um, so she's super entrenched in the entire south African wine culture, specifically the Black wine culture,

Orion Brown (23:52):

Yes, which there isn't a ton. Like it's, it's a lot who have come up as vintners for white owned or Dutch owned or Africa. And, and there's very few that have their own sort of, you know, wineries.

Nicole Kearney (24:08):

There's a handful. But see, we forget that because, you know, it's just like I tell people when the restaurant industry started, it was somebody, it was big mama and them in the kitchen. So it was just like that whole south African wine culture is built on the backs of Black and Brown people. So they're, you know, making the wine, maybe the head winemaker probably, you know, was not melanated, but the people doing the cellar work, probably the assistant wine maker, you know, the person who's learned and paid attention who could make it in their sleep. They all are brown. And so we forget that, you know, and even the world, because the world says South Africa is new world wine. And so there's like new world, old world who had wine first, yo South Africa is always going to be old world to me because it wouldn't none of us be here if it wasn't from mother Africa.

Nicole Kearney (25:01):

So I'm always like, that was it. It was just that we had, you know, apartheid, you had all of the, um, everything going on, where they wouldn't let the wine come out of the country. So all the sanctions, but they been making wine. I mean, South Africa been making wine and I mean there wine is amazing. So if you get your hands on some South African wine, go to your favorite, wherever you buy wine and get it. Pinotage is forever my love. So if anybody knows anybody, that's a farmer that has some senso grapes somebody inbox me, Nicole Kearney. Um, I'm at my name and I'm also at sip and share wines. I am diligently trying to get my hands on some senso grapes, if y'all can help me find some senso grapes that I can get in the United States or even Mexico. That'll be the only reason I go to Mexico. Yeah. That's the only reason I'm going to Mexico is pick up some grapes, but I'm trying to get my hand on some so I can create, um, an American, you know, blend red blink because Pinotage is specific to the continent, but I would like to make that.

Nicole Kearney (26:11):

Um, so yeah, that, that's like one of my holy grail items to make that I'm hoping, I'm hoping in the next two years.

Orion Brown (26:20):

I love that. And I love this idea of coming up with your own American blend because we kind of poo poo on, on American wines and some places we got reason, but we have an amazing country with beautiful terrain and a lot of different terroir as they, you know, and you, you know, given the resources and the gumption to do it. Um, so really beautiful wines can come out of the country. Um, you know, I love the, I loved the story of Pinotage. And when I went, I went, God, it's been like 12 years now, 12 years ago, I went to South Africa and I went to Nelson's Creek winery and they told us sort of the history of the Pinotage and how the grape was brought in.

Orion Brown (27:06):

And it was put on this mountain side and the mixture of the type of minerality of the dirt plus the breeze. I mean, it's, it's literally snowflake creation when it comes to these wines. And so, and it's so distinctive, you know, even if you're not, even if you're just like casual Rosé, you can tell the difference between rosés you can go, okay, that one was a little bit sweeter. That was a little more bitter. This one smells like fruit. When I go to drink it or guzzle it, I mean, do what you gotta do, girl.

Nicole Kearney (27:37):

Um, but it's true.

Orion Brown (27:40):

All those things come from not only the processing, but like the grape itself, which is absolutely fascinating to me. I love that. I love that.

Nicole Kearney (27:48):

So that's why I love wine, because like you said, you can, you can also drink wine and transport yourself all over the world. So you can be like, oh, like you said, a Rosé. Some people are like, I only like it sweet. I like it this way. And that's great, but I like, uh, I like, I can do a good off dry. Um, rosé um, I like a really good, um, Rosé it's from Provence and France, but y'all, and they sell it at Ali and it's like $9, you know, it's like a 90 point, but it's a 90 point a people stand in line when they release it in the spring. I mean, people stand in line. They had to go to like only one bottle per person. This was pre COVID child. This was like one bottle. So it, I mean, it sells out and it's amazing. It's so good. I waited for my entire family to leave one day and they left and I went and opened the bottle and I drank the entire bottle myself.

Nicole Kearney (28:39):

They came back, saw they were like, we've been waiting for what? For what? Not, this it's gone. So I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. So they're like, you got to buy another one. I was like, I got to go find another one. So, you know, because it's, it's one of those things it's harder to find. Um, you know, it's, it's imported. So, but, but those are things like, I, like, I like a good, um, um, um, I like France. Um, I like champagne and then South Africa. So, you know, that's my thing, France then South Africa. So I've got probably our, our, um, COVID hobby was, um, we drank through what my partner called the wine museum, which I say is a wine collection. He called it the wine museum. Yeah. And so, Hey, queen sis chocolate bunny. I see. So I got a, um, a core oven, of course.

Nicole Kearney (29:33):

Yeah. So it's like, you put, it's a needle, it's a wine self-preservation system. Y'all so I got one of those. And um, so we just kind of going through a lot of the wine we had that we hadn't opened. Cause I'm always, I can't drink that. Don't drink that. No, don't drink that one, but COVID taught us, drink everything.

Nicole Kearney (29:51):

But save some just in case. Cause cause yeah, if y'all aren't familiar with the system, it's basically a hypodermic needle for a wine.

Nicole Kearney (29:58):

Yes. That's the best way to explain it.

Nicole Kearney (30:02):

You haven't ruined the wine so you can just -

Nicole Kearney (30:04):

Oh, wait a minute. Since I'm in my office. Yeah. Hold on. I have just looked down at the floor. I was like, cause I'm in my office. So this is what it looks like. This has the needle and this needle. So this holds the bottle in place and then the needle goes down and then you just tip it and click the button and tip it.

Nicole Kearney (30:26):

And it pours the wine and it replaces it with argon gas. And then like you said, the cork reseals itself, and you can do, um, synthetic corks, but you gotta like put wax or something over top to seal the cork back. And it kind of wears the needle out over time. But I tell people if you drink wine and you really, you know, that's like that thing to gift yourself or put it, you know, put it on your Christmas list or mom's put it, you know, on your mother's day list. Like that's the thing to guilt your children into buying you. It can run from hundreds of $300, depending upon the model. You can get an older model that does the job. There you go. Amazon prime day, you should get it. So I got my first one, that's my second one. And that was both of them were gifts, but my children and my brother, they got me the first one.

Nicole Kearney (31:15):

Cause I was like, you know, this would be really great for me. Um, and then the second one I was supposed to take to the winery, y'all it aint , left the house. They both at the house. So one's in my office and one's outside that, you know, everyone else uses, I use the newer one, but it was just a great gift. But we got to go through so much good wine that, um, know the, you know, stuff that we had bought from Black producers that we were like, oh, we're going to hold on to this. Um, stuff that I had got that was like, oldest is like, I got a bottle of his 2013 Cabernet Sauvigon that I was gifted and I've never tasted it. And I was like, man, I'm going to keep it. And you know, I was like, oh, I open it when my children graduate.

Nicole Kearney (31:54):

And that happened and I didn't in high school, then it was like, oh, when they college and I didn't. So now I was like, oh, I can open that. You know? And I can just see what it tastes like and then put it back. So grab one of those for you, if you really, really, really liked drinking wine.

Nicole Kearney (32:08):

So, so the two things that I would recommend, especially if you're traveling to taste wine, one is get a wine roller board case, which is basically like a big soft case. Typically there's this, I don't know exactly what the size is. I should know this off the top of my head, but there's a pretty standard size for a case of wine it's usually square. You can go, you can stop at any like boxing location and get one in the place that you're, you know, any mail location, they should have a custom box that box fit into this show.

Nicole Kearney (32:40):

It's just like a, it's sort of like a, uh, a roller board cover, but it has a little more padding and it has wheels and it has a handle. So that's the first thing. And you can check it. So you just check all the bottles so you can have all your bottles, all those bottles. And Now, American, I think they still do it. American airlines lets you fly wine back from California for free boom. So yeah, so that's like one of those things like I love like, but now I have done now my wine mentor, I was going to buy the suitcase, but here's what she gave me. I went to Goodwill and I bought a standard size rolling suitcase. And then I went and bought the foam and I, and I laid the phone down and you can glue it in if that's what your only thing you're gonna do with the suitcase, glue the foam down and then put all the ones and then put it in.

Nicole Kearney (33:37):

And she was like, you can do that. And I was like, and she was like, so you can get the same suitcase for like the whole thing could probably cost you less than $20. So I was like, oh, and then you can buy the hard ones. So I bought a hard, like a hard suitcase from my Goodwill for like $4 and then did that. And so that's like my wine travel suitcase and it, you know, so I put all the stuff in there and then if you really need to get creative and you go and you didn't buy the suitcase because you didn't listen to y'all don't wanna listen because y'all hard headed sometimes then you need to just be wrapping it and all your dirty clothes, all the bottles, rap it, rap it, rap it, and your dirty clothes and then fly it on back, take a couple of them.

Orion Brown (34:15):

Be willing. Cause if one of those bottles breaks, this is like the worst. Like your heart hurts. I've done that with like really nice whiskeys before where I'm like, I'm bringing it home. And then I basically had a whiskey soaked towel and I was like, do I wring- ? No, I can't wring the towel out Lord.

Nicole Kearney (34:34):

Uh, I am, I'm going to be in the bathroom. You know, what are you going to tell? But you got it. Cause you got it. It was so good. You just, you got to get a little bit of it.

Nicole Kearney (34:45):

Just a little bit, just a little bit, but I love this idea of either creating or buying the, the wine suitcase. I love the creating one because boom. I mean, even if you want to be like a little bougie and go to TJ Maxx, they have some cheap parts, really good one.

Nicole Kearney (35:02):

Um, and that plus being able to taste your wine and seal that sucker back up back up and take it with you. So you can actually, like, I always have the dilemma when I travel. I don't wanna say always most of the time, let's be honest. I, if I get a bottle of wine and it's just me in a room, um, you know what, I'm going to tell her something. I'm like, I can't, I mean, I could drink this whole thing, but I don't want a headache flying back or whatever, but to be able to kind of tap it and then just go ahead and put it in his bag and let it do what he do. Shoot. I'd be having flights all the time.

Nicole Kearney (35:37):

And that's the thing because, and then, you know, if you get, um, so you know, a lot of people, they probably know cause they follow you, but the little shots are not wine. But, um, you could, I mean, if you get creative, you can replace them with wine, but you can take 10 per person on a plane. So I mean, you could open them and replace them. You know, I tell people put like a little fingernail Polish or something to reseal them. Cause they're supposed to be sealed. But if you, but I, I put mine in a plastic bag anyway, and then you just put them through like with your carry on. So I mean, you could do that and 10 different wines.

Orion Brown (36:10):

Boom, boom. Or if you're flying international, just drink all the ones they bring you. Cause I I'm, I'm a fan of getting my tickets worth.

Nicole Kearney (36:19):

all, all up. Right. And international flight. Yeah. All up. They bring it. Yes. I don't care. Yes. Yes. I'm awake up. Out my sleep. Yes. Yes. The little sign that says leave it here.

Orion Brown (36:31):

I love the little bottles of champagne. It's like, yay.

Nicole Kearney (36:36):

Those are amazing. And they're just bring them, just be like, sit them all here. I'll get them when I wake up. Right, right. I wake up.

Orion Brown (36:43):

I can sense when they're coming. I'll be out cold and then I'll be like -

Nicole Kearney (36:46):

Right, you're like, they're coming beverages are coming, adult beverages, the car- 

Orion Brown (36:53):

I'm like come on, come on back. All right. I need that.

Nicole Kearney (36:57):

So yeah. So that's me. International flights are the best and they actually have the best wine and spirits on international flights. Domestic flights are getting better. Um, but yeah, like people, like when I go, I'm like, let me see the wine list. They're like just buy some. So I usually end up tequila is my other go-to I usually end up with tequila and pineapple juice or tequila and you know, cranberry juice or something. But yeah, that's going to be my other go-to cause I'm usually like, oh, y'all wine selection is like, but Brown Estate is on I think Delta, Delta flights. They pick them up before COVID yeah. So fly Delta. And they have an Atlanta hubs. If you're going to Atlanta jumpon the Delta, get you a bottle of Brown Estates. So drink B;ack while you're flying. Yeah. Yes. It's always about where can you go and get your Black fix.

Orion Brown (37:47):

Turn it into Soul Plane! Like that's basically Soul Plane.

Nicole Kearney (37:52):

Now we did that on our trip to Vegas in 2005.

Orion Brown (37:57):

I've heard that several, several times from different people that it's basically soul plane flying out to Vegas from like New York to ATL.

Nicole Kearney (38:03):

If you're going any, and then don't let your flight be delayed, leaving if you are leaving. Um, Vegas and coming back and your flights delayed everybody's at the bar. Everybody's drinking because I mean, what are you going to do? I mean, you already ate, you did all the stuff you were going to do before your flight. And like, we always take the late, like eight, nine o'clock flight. So now they telling you you're not going to be leaving till midnight. So you like, you're prepared to get on the plane and go to sleep. You're like, I'm asleep back on my right. So now you're like, I'm up? I can't sleep. So you drink. It's always a good, I know. I, you know, I I've always feel like in my heart that, you know, folks work on the airline, the flight attendants, you know, they're a special kind of angel because I know, especially if you work that Vegas thing, folks leaving Vegas that first hour until they can get everybody to go to sleep, that's just gotta be a thing. They just like, they want to cut us.

Orion Brown (39:03):

I'll keep the source anonymous, but I remember hearing a story where, uh, several friends were coming back from Vegas and one of those friends was so trashed that they went to sleep under the counter at the- at the gate. So it was like, oh, we're waiting at the flight's gonna be late. Um, I mean, you know what happens in Vegas sometimes ends up on people's IG LIVE. But uh, yes.

Nicole Kearney (39:30):

My friend and I will tell on my friends, we went, one of my friends lost her, um, her license. So she had to like finesse all this to get on the plane. So me and another friend, we had been drinking because again, our flight was delayed. And so we were just joking, oh, you know, we've been drinking. We kind of popped blah, blah, blah. They were not going to let us on the plane. She leaves now this is her best friend. She leaves. And she was like, look, I got on the plane. I don't want, you know, I don't have a license. My stuff has got, I gotta get home. I was like, well, they don't let us on the plane, what are we gonna do? He said, we gonna drink some more and get a hotel room. I was like, that's a plan. Okay. So, but you know, they let us all, but at first of all, I was like, we were like, um, the people working there, like y'all ear hustling, this is a private conversation. I'm like how you feel three drinks. You good? Yeah. He's like, I feel good. You know, I've kind of buzzex, got I'm like, yeah, let's go. And our whole conversation, like, they were like, well, you can't get on the plane, man. This is Vegas. That was a lie. That's a lie from the pit of hell. I know. Y'all let drunk people on this plane. We weren't even drunk. And y'all, I know y'all let crazy drunk people because y'all want them to get the hell out the airport. So Vegas it's like, I got a love, hate relationship with Vegas.

Nicole Kearney (40:44):

So go, go to National Harbor in Maryland. Y'all they got, you know, they got casinos now, Maryland go to national Harbor, go down to Memphis, you know, go to Memphis in May and hang out. I think they got a new casinos somewhere in, in I heard or supposed to be coming to Memphis. So y'all get out the house. I mean, even, you know, before COVID get out of the house. Cause some of y'all, you know, I live in Indianapolis and I know people who've never been to any place, but like Kings Island, which is like two and a half hours away. I know people never been to Chicago and it's roughly three hours north of us. And I'm like, yeah, it's like, you should go there. And so people, but that's like, I mean, and I also have to go have to come from New Yorkers too. Cause I know some people who never been off the island of Manhattan or I'm just like, why? They're like, why I like, because there's other people on other islands, like,

Orion Brown (41:47):

There is wine counrtry out in the Finger Lakes now I'm not gonna lie. It's a little sweet. It's a little jammy up there. But if you, if you're like, I've never been to a Vineyard, you could legit just drive up to the Finger Lakes. All you need is like, you know, a tank of gas there, a tank gas back.

Nicole Kearney (42:03):

Delaware's got some wineries going now. I mean, I don't know. I know, I know they got, they got a few or just go a little further, go down to Maryland. Maryland's got great wine country hit Virginia. I heard Connecticut's trying to do something. I don't know. I don't know how good it is, but there's winecountry everywhere.

Orion Brown (42:25):

Now just try it, you know, just make sure you get that done before you get started. Just in case some tannins are high.

Nicole Kearney (42:32):

And lots of water and lots of water because some of it's okay to pour it out. Y'all I know many of us believe in no alcohol abuse, but sometimes I've got to pour stuff out and just let it go. Just let it go. Cause I'm not going to hurt my stomach. Like if my stomach, I feel it. I'm like, Hmm, I'm sorry. This is not the wine for me.

Orion Brown (42:54):

Gotta try someting different. It's all good. You know,

Nicole Kearney (42:56):

But people will keep drinking it.

Orion Brown (42:58):

Right. And its just going back to the earth, you're not doing nothing day. You're not throwing a plastic out your car window. You're just pouring one for your homies.

Nicole Kearney (43:07):

There you go. There. That's how we think. Give it to the ancestors, to the ancestors. So what are you drinking?

Orion Brown (43:16):

So this is actually a really funny, I'm having a canned wine right now because I'm trying to get my KIETO life together, but I need to get your wines, but this is called Bev and it's the low and I was gonna ask, do you have any zero sugar wines? Because I will totally take a Black own zero sugar wine. Um, but the whole thing is just like, it's maybe two net carbs. It's 11.9%. ABV um, and you get a case of like four of these or you know, a little, a little case of, yeah, it's a four pack and it's basically the equivalent of a bottle and a third. So I'm like put it in a pretty glass and pretend like that came out a bottle.

Nicole Kearney (43:56):

And that's - excuse me. Ours is like two glasses in, um, yeah, in a can. And so basically a four-pack same thing. You end up with a bottle or you actually two bottles when you get the four. No, we don't. We've been experimenting and talking about trying to do, um, cause we don't add any sugar. So ours are just the sugar that is naturally in it. Um, we try to do release intervention. So I believe this is my philosophy. A lot of times we're getting to, we're going to lower the sugar and do these things. There's a little bit more manipulation that has to happen in order to lower the sugar, you to do something else to balance it because that's just the natural sugar. It's like the grapes, they have sugar in them. So it's like, what are you doing? You and all of those things, things, the thing is wine doesn't have any ingredient label. Yeah. Most of the wine industry has just made sure of that. But if you're going to start saying it's got zero, this or low sugar, now they're saying you actually have to go get the whole, um, I call it the table of contents. You have to do the nutrition facts. So I just always wonder, because like I said, we made vegan wine. So it's always like, okay, you're making it and it's low sugar, but if it's not vegan, then you're using animal by-product. So you're giving someone milk, possibly a milk protein. You could be giving them egg whites, you can be giving them fish bladder, you can be giving them pork gelatin. So all of those things could be used to clear it. Okay.

Orion Brown (45:31):

So hold up, why are there hoooves and eggs in wine?

Nicole Kearney (45:31):

So when you, you got all these things, so wine so you think about it, we've got farms, vineyards farms. And so a lot of people have chickens. So what they found out is that when you have the egg whites, they can, you put it in there to clear your wine. So we were talking about this wine, it's all pretty, it's clear. We can see through it. So that process, um, is a lot of places use, like I said, they use egg whites and I think it clears it in like four hours. Um, or they could use, um, a liquified, um, pork gelatin or a liquified, um, uh, let's call it like a casing and it has, um, crustaceans in it, or it could have a fish bladder, you know, that they're using to just clear this product out. So we use clay. And so for us, we're always like, no, we're not. We're, you know, we're going to have the sugar we have in it. And most of our stuff is low residual sugar, but we don't have all these other things. So a lot of people were like, oh, I had a hangover or I had this from wine and they're always like, oh, it's because the sulfites, the sulfite in wine is so nominal. Most things people eat. If you eat Pop-Tarts or anything else, it has more sulfites than wine. So it's typically something else that you don't know unless you go and read, you know, you're going to actually go to the website and read. So it could be, you have a seafood allergy and it could just be that, that process that was used. Um, I mean they clear it through and it's, it's not necessarily in there, but my friend uses an analogy. If you put sugar in the Kool-Aid and it drops to the bottom, you know, and you start in, but if you didn't, if it wasn't warm, it's going to drop back to the bottom and then you can strain it out. But is there still, you know, is there still sugar in the new batch? So when you look at that, it's like, well, some of could be just messing with your allergies, you know? And so I tell people that, so it's like, you gotta think about that. Like, I don't eat pork. I haven't had pork in 35 years. So I'm very mindful of the producers that I'm going to drink because it's going to be my stomach hurt. And it took me a minute to figure that out. I was like, oh right,

Orion Brown (47:50):

That's deep.

Nicole Kearney (47:53):

Right. It's like, and it's like food poisoning for me. So when I'd feel my stomach hurt and I'm like, or you know, or the next day I'm like, oh, I get up. And I'm like, I feel sick. And I might only has, you know, don't, y'all judge me for this, but I might've only had a bottle, but I'm like, I don't, my stomach hurts. Like you said now. And so I have to go back and be like, look at it. Uh, they use animal byproducts. Got it. Shouldn't have drank that.

Orion Brown (48:20):

I had no idea. I, so one, I need vegan wine just because I know what's going into it for the most part. Yeah. And then two it, you know, I'm sure it tastes amazing. Cause you guys are filtering with clay. Everything that I've ever seen filter with clay is just like, I don't know what clay is magical.

Nicole Kearney (48:40):

Um, that's what I tell people. It's this indigenous earth that, you know, God gave us the ancestors just so much with, and we forgot about it. And now, you know, people have been doing mask and you can get your whole body wrapped in it. And we didn't believe that. Right. But it is amazing. And it does, we had a customer when we first started making it, you know, you have some bottles that, you know, when you're, you're bottling, you get to the end and there's a little, you know, residual and this lady would come up. She was like, I heard you use clay, you know? And I'm like, yeah, we do. She was like, do you have any bottles with any clay in? And we're like, well, we shouldn't. She's like, look, if you see anything, I'll take it. And we were like, okay, y'all go through the bottles.

Nicole Kearney (49:21):

And it might be one or two with a the dust in. it And we're like, okay. She's like, I want to buy those. And finally we were like, okay, can you share with us? Well, clay is a diuretic. Didn't know that. And she has, um, clay every morning. She's like, she puts it into her water and every morning, you know, and a couple of times a day she does that. And I was like, oh snap. So she was like, well, if you have any, I'll just take it because I can get my wine and get my fix. And I'm like, wow, like, yes, Stew the wine guru. Yes. Clay is a magical, it is right. He said, he loves that. So I'm just telling people that it is one of the best things and it doesn't cost any more clay. You can buy it like huge amounts.

Nicole Kearney (50:06):

So I tell people going, having a vegan wine is just, it's, it's better for you as better for other people. I'm a pescatarian at this point in my life. Um, but I used to be a vegan. I used to be vegetarian and I just want to drink better. And I want us to drink better. We're going to drink. Cause we're going to drink y'all. We 're going to drink.

Orion Brown (50:23):

Yeahn and you might as well know what's going into it. Like I think a lot of the benefit of some of the healthier trends that have happened is that we get more food transparency from them. Even though I may not necessarily be like, I'm gluten free. If it's a gluten-free beer. I mean, I know what's in it like, and if it tastes like beer and I like it, then we good! I don't know.

Nicole Kearney (50:45):

Yingling gluten-free vegan and they just introduced the light version. So I can't wait to get my hands on the light version, but that's like my that's my beer.

Orion Brown (50:56):

I can't get Yingling out here. I'm too far west, but I can get it when I go to Chicago though. I can get it when I go to Chicago. Yeah. It's an East Coast beer, but don't tell em that! I will, I will ship some to myself.

Nicole Kearney (51:10):

They just put it out like 99 calories. I just saw it. So I'm like, I haven't gotten my hands on one, but that's like my next like thing. So I do like a Blue Moon, but I like a Yingling. It's just, I grew up in Germany also. I really, really like beer. I got like, um, odd woman, but I have an affinity for beers. I drink a lot of good beer.

Orion Brown (51:32):

So I really want to go to Oktoberfest. Which for those of you that don't know it's actually in September.

Nicole Kearney (51:37):

Um, I know in most places it is.

Orion Brown (51:41):

Yeah. It's it's like well you called it October, um, I girl, we can have a whole other discussion. You gotta come back, you gotta come back and we can talk about Germany and, and your experience there. But this has been so dope traveling. I, this has been so dope talking to you. Cool auntie all the way to cheers. And I love the tips that you gave us. I've been taking notes. I'm going to share all of this in the show notes. And this has been an experience, right? And a lot of what you talked about has been domestic places in different spaces where you find, you know, sort of the best things we don't have to go abroad. We can. And it's a beautiful thing and I love it, but you can find some incredible things. If you're into food, if you're into beverages right here in the states and knowing, you know, knowing the right people who got it on lock. You know?

Nicole Kearney (52:35):

See, and you've got to get your BlackTravelBox before you travel though make sureyou, cause I heard that y'all got travel size, so you won't be like me trying to fight the lady. Um, and JFK, the TSA lady was going to take your brand new tube of toothpaste.

Orion Brown (52:52):

We haven't, we don't have our own toothpaste yet, but that's coming, but yeah, they're catching the case and TSA is not, is not, I don't think any of our finest moments and I'm still like, you know, I still get frustrated getting my hair pat down. And it seems like that it's just, you know, and, and I've had women, not of color though. I mean, when I have my hair down and I'm like, I get it. But at the end of the day, we're dealing with and sorry for the dudes on a patriarchy. Right. Because you're never, you're very rarely going to catch a guy. Who's getting his hair pat down. Right. Like unless or something. And he has, you know, a covering. And so yeah, we have, we have a lot of cultural learning to do, but, um, in any case, Nicole, you gotta come back, you gotta come back and get to talk about Germany and being Black in Germany. And what is like, I have so many questions, I've got so many question, but right now tell people where they can find you, where they can find your wine and where can we find that cam that she just showed us? Cause I'm taking notes. Yeah. So the culture cans and all of our wine are on sip and then it's sip and then the word and share wines on our website.

Nicole Kearney (54:03):

We deliver, we ship pretty much everywhere, but a couple of states. Um, and then we're @sipandsharewines on all social media platforms. So follow us around, um, check out what we got going on. We got some really cool stuff that we got coming on. I appreciate you taking the time out of accelerator. So are you through new voices? Did you go through the new voices program?

Orion Brown (54:24):

I did. So I actually did pitch for new voices a couple years ago, so yeah. So I, you know, with Essence at Essence, Fest, um, so I've been tapping into the new voices folks and there's so many programs and there's so many well, and they don't really necessarily have an accelerator, but there's so many programs out there and it's great. But also, and I love new voices because they actually give money. Right. Because I think giving mentorship can only take you so far.

Orion Brown (54:57):

I think artisans know their art. I'm not necessarily, I wouldn't necessarily call myself an artisan, but I am a brand strategist and I did this professionally previously. And it's amazing how many places in spaces people want to mentor me. Um, and I'm like, but 15 years of experience doesn't count. Like, can I just get some cash? Um, but I say all of that-

Nicole Kearney (55:18):

Run me, my coins, right? It's like, okay, I don't want to still call you cause I might need some things, but that's going to be our next conversation. Like Black folks are mentored to death, to death. Yeah. Like, and I don't use the word death a lot, but in this, in these spaces we are, it's like, just give me the $10,000 that you're going to spend in mentoring me for the year or the $5,000 value. And then let me show you what I can do with that, because I can take that 5,000, you know, especially we Black and we can make, turn that into 20.

Nicole Kearney (55:57):

Cause we know how to flip it. Y'all know how to flip.

Orion Brown (56:01):

We, we have a lot of entrepreneurs coming out of the hood, doing stuff that maybe isn't the most legal, but if you really think about it, they have an entrepreneurial skillset. And just because they don't speak the way you do or didn't go to the school that you went to doesn't mean that they're not bad as salespeople, product developers, brand positioners. And so there's just so much that think we undervalue the, and I won't say we, I would say society undervalues in our community, um, because of the translation of it to what is considered mainstream. Uh, we wouldn't have a Jay Z in the way that we have Jay Z today. If he was not a great entrepreneur like that,

Nicole Kearney (56:43):

Thank you. You can sell a product to people that you're not even using. You're speaking to this value proposition to people. I mean, we can, we can run it all back. It's like, like you said, it just doesn't sound like the language folks want to hear, but we've been doing it, you know, since the Dawn of time, you know, since the Dawn of time.

Orion Brown (57:08):

And you know what the funny thing is, and then I'll close with this. I want to be cognizant of your time. We will be on here an hour ago. We have so much fun. But it's very interesting to me. Like when I got into the quote unquote beauty space and I started looking at who started these beauty brands, especially makeup. Yes. And then I go look at consumer goods. And it's like the tampon brands run by men. And now we're talking about it more in the ads and all of that stuff. But I mean for the last 50, 60, 80 years.

Orion Brown (57:37):

And so idea of keeping people out of the space because they aren't the customer or the consumer or they, and it's just like, no, it's a skillset. It's a skillset that you, you can learn a skillset that you can be naturally gifted at. It doesn't matter. It's a skillset and a skillset is not the cover of the book. It's the reading on the inside.

Nicole Kearney (57:58):

Thank you. That's a word right there. That's a word.

Orion Brown (58:04):

You got to come back. You got to come back. Thank you so much. And thank you to everybody watching. Oh my gosh. I had such a good time. Y'all.

Nicole Kearney (58:12):

I have to, again, cheers to the culture. I appreciate you. And I'm sending you just amazing energy to keep going and just keep blowing up. And you are just going, you are manifesting your highest and best good and everything that you put out there. The ancesters gotyou SIS.

Orion Brown (58:27):

Look God is good. Ancestors are good.

Nicole Kearney (58:29):

All the time.

Orion Brown (58:31):

Thank everybody for joining. This has been wind down. Thank you. Everyone had a dope, dope time. If you miss it, if you just came in, I'm about to pop this on IGTV so you can come back and find it. And if you enjoyed yourself, please tell a couple friends, come hang out with black travel box. Every Wednesday, we're doing a wine down Wednesday and we're cutting up y'all so I hope your week, a little bit better. So if somebody you off on Monday and you were like, oh, you're at Wednesday. It's all down here from here, baby. You good! You good! Just roll in the Friday. I believe in you. Thank you so much, everyone for joining.

Nicole Kearney (59:17):

Thank you queen. I appreciate you everyone. Have a good night. Take care. All right. Goodbye.

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